All Ancients In Clicker Heroes
Re-roll until you get Siyalatas, Ancient of Abandon or Libertas, Ancient of Freedom or Juggernaut, Ancient of Momentum. First two (both) are needed for idle build, second for active build.
The cost to buy Ancients increases really fast -1st - 1 souls2nd - 2 souls3rd - 4 souls4th - 8 souls5th - 16 souls6th - 35 souls7th - 70 souls8th - 125 souls9th - 250 souls10th - 500 soulsSo unless you buy important ancient early to make your progress easier you may get stuck or will have to reset them and start buying them from the beginning. Vaagur is also used in active build, so if you really plan to play actively, it may be a good choice from what you have. Idle build is easier to use though. Originally posted by:Can you have more than one ancients.
Like all of them? You can, there are only 28 of them, but price increases really fast, so you need to buy important ancients in the beginning so that you can get souls needed for further ancients faster. Last ancient will cost 100000 souls. Price for reroll also increases the more ancients you have, so it is easier to use reroll in the beginning.For example, let's say you are able to make to level 150 in a run and that will get you about 20 souls. If you buy 5 ancients that does not help you progress more, you will need to be doing this run several times to buy next one. One the other hand, if you buy two important ancients, you can easily progress to level 200 at the same time and get 40 ancients per run. I would suggest re-roll until you get Siyalatas, it's the best one for easy build.
So I am a relatively new player to this game. I have just undergone my 2nd Transcension, and am looking for a little input into where I should allocate my AS's. I started out playing very unoptimized, and really had no idea what to do, other than click. My leveling was all over the place, and I.
If you are scared of losing souls on re-roll and not getting him, save before doing it and then restore your save if you don't get it in few re-rolls. If you don't want easy way, you can try buying other things to see how they work and reset later at 75% cost. Actually you don't necessary need him on first try, but you still will need to get him earlier, so why not do it now when it's cheap to re-roll them. He does increase you progress a lot.And if you prefer active build that involves clicking and using skills then buy what was suggested by others earlier - vaagur. But he won't help you much unless you level him and to level him you will need a lot of souls (44).Also remember that you can always reset all your ancients and recover 75% cost, so even if you buy wrong one and decide to start in different order you can just do it. I didn't regret to spend my HS in Atman the Ancient of Soul as 1st choice.I understand about Siyalatas & Libertas but i noticed after my 1st ascension my chance to get primal bosses gone to almost 0% between 100-140.
It should be 25% (basic rate but in real i got only 1 or 2 time only primal bosses in 3 runs more (universe 2-4). Too few.Now i added +5% primal bosses chance, the difference is great. I got 2 primal at 100 & 105.
I hate to run to get only +9HS. So 25% +5% = 30% highly better to get more HS / run.My goal is to get max HS / run and after to reduce time between each run.After 2 runs with +5% boosted Atman, it seem i get only +1HS garantee more doing same run level 0-140. Lol at this: 'Last edited by APoCaLyPSE NoW; Just now'. Looks like 'Bond, James Bond'.but i noticed after my 1st ascension my chance to get primal bosses gone to almost 0% between 100-140.Also noticed that sometimes I almost don't get any souls when I was trying to farm below level 200, thats normal for random - you get lucky runs and you get unlucky runs. And it took a lot of time and some clicking to get through first 100 levels. That's when I decided to check guides and learned about idle and active build.
Did reset for my ancients and started with the idle one, it became much easier to progress. And later bought all other important ancients: Dogcog (reduce cost), Atman (chance of primals), Solomon (amount of souls), Mimzee (gold from chests), Dora (chance of chests), Mammon (increase gold), Argaiv (increased bonus from gilds), Kumawakamaru (less monsters to progress - very important one when you do quick runs), Bubos (lowers boss HP), Khrysos (starting gold) and some other ones with less effect. The only one I regret buying and leveling is Chronos at level 6 (+30 sec to boss timer). It means that when I am not checking, progress is stuck on lass boss for current upgrades (that I can't beat without buying few more levels) for 60 seconds instead of just 30. It helps progress further, but at the cost of waiting a little each time you get to the last boss.
I stopped leveling him. Originally posted by:Lol at this: 'Last edited by APoCaLyPSE NoW; Just now'. Looks like 'Bond, James Bond'.but i noticed after my 1st ascension my chance to get primal bosses gone to almost 0% between 100-140.Also noticed that sometimes I almost don't get any souls when I was trying to farm below level 200, thats normal for random - you get lucky runs and you get unlucky runs.
And it took a lot of time and some clicking to get through first 100 levels. That's when I decided to check guides and learned about idle and active build. Did reset for my ancients and started with the idle one, it became much easier to progress.
And later bought all other important ancients: Dogcog (reduce cost), Atman (chance of primals), Solomon (amount of souls), Mimzee (gold from chests), Dora (chance of chests), Mammon (increase gold), Argaiv (increased bonus from gilds), Kumawakamaru (less monsters to progress - very important one when you do quick runs), Bubos (lowers boss HP), Khrysos (starting gold) and some other ones with less effect. The only one I regret buying and leveling is Chronos at level 6 (+30 sec to boss timer). It means that when I am not checking, progress is stuck on lass boss for current upgrades (that I can't beat without buying few more levels) for 60 seconds instead of just 30. It helps progress further, but at the cost of waiting a little each time you get to the last boss. I stopped leveling him.Edit all guide you want. But now i'am fully satisfied about my 1st choice Atman.
No need to max Atman if you notice rate is correct. Maxing my chance to get HS save me lots of runs.
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Now i don't max Atman because too many HS required. I'am planing to reduce running time perhaps like you describe in your guide. I refuse to do runs without HS gained from 100-140, its my choice.
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It's by no means a finalized list.It is both organized by tier, and within the tier: any ancient in the list is theorized to be better than any ancient listed under him/her.Top:.Siyalatas/Bonus idle DPS (25%/level up to level 10, 24% from 10-19, etc).Libertas/Bonus idle Gold (25%/level up to level 10, 24% from 10-19, etc).Juggernaut.Vaagur/Reduced skill cooldown (-5%/level, cap -75%).Atman/Increased Primal chance (1%/level, cap 25%).Solomon/Bonus Primal Hero Souls (5%/level, diminishes starting at 100%)These are pretty self-explanatory, and are pretty widely agreed upon. Siyalatas, Libertas, and Juggernaut are useful even for people with low soul counts, and Vaagur/Atman/Solomon increase your soul count immensely later on (even if you aren't spamming Dark Ritual).Upper-Middle:.Mammon /Bonus Gold dropped (5%/level).Fragsworth/Bonus Click damage (20%/level).Kumawakamaru/Monsters to next level (-1/level).Bhaal/Bonus Critical damage (15%/level).Mimzee/Bonus Gold from Treasure Chests (50%/level).Dora/Increased Chests chance (20%/level).Dogcog/Decreased Hero cost (-2%/level)Mammon stacks well with Libertas, and is the second best Gold ancient. Fragsworth increases the single largest combination for burst damage (clickstorm/lucky strikes/super clicks) by a significant amount. Kumawakamaru can decrease some time wasted fighting trash mobs in lower levels and speeds up time to get to upper bosses so that cooldowns only need to be refreshed once instead of twice, even if he doesn't help as much when one is limited by cooldowns/gold and costs a very large amount of souls. Bhaal, similarly to Fragsworth, is in UM because crits are especially useful.
Mimzee is Mimzee, but doesn't have the psychological benefits of seeing tons of gold accumulating at once. Dora is somewhere near Mimzee, but is hard to quantify to due an apparently variable chest rate- but lategame players swear by her. Many people seem to be significantly underestimating the effects of Bubos and Dogcog.Yes, 1.00 / 0.98 = 1.0204, so the first rank is only slightly better than 2% more dps/gold, but the 25th level is actually 1.00 / 0.50 = 2, making them effectively 4% more dps/gold per level (100% increase over 25 levels) assuming you plan to max them.
If they could be leveled to 50, would you still consider Bubos a low tier when he reduces all boss health to 0, just because rank 1 is only a 2.04% increase?Granted, 4% more damage (to bosses only, no less) or 4% more gold per ancient level may not be the best, but they are still getting far less credit than they deserve. I would argue that Dogcog is the third best gold ancient (after Libertas and Mammon). Yes, I did underestimate them- however, I really don't know how to compare Dogcog to the chest comboers Mimzee and Dora, who are apparently amazing at later levels (lategame players report around a 1:10 chest to monster ratio, and if chests give 10x what normal monsters give, two levels in Mimzee at the start gives a 10% gold bonus. Further, Dora/Mimzee don't cap. However, I switched Dogcog above Fortuna.Bubos got moved solidly into middle tier for this comment, but it's very possible he will move up or down within the tier.
Hey I know you made this comment 2 months ago, but I just do not understand your logic.Siyalatas is giving me +50 percent DPS when I am idle, and my 16 hero souls are giving me +160 percent DPS always.I can spend 3 hero souls to get +75 percent DPS, which puts me at +130 percent DPS from hero souls, ending up with me losing 5 percent DPS overall in the trade off.I can only imagine it becomes more and more inefficient as the hero soul cost for upgrading it goes up, but here you are saying it IS worth it.